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    Senior Member DO YOU FEEL LUCKY, WELL DO YA PUNK? jathtech's Avatar
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    It did not malfunction, he ran out of ammo. he unloaded on Officer Munley, he was being shot at after all. He can reload that thing quick, but not THAT quick.
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    Not meaning to demean anyone from Cabelas but most people who work on their firearm sales department are either biased or do not know their handguns. Was looking for a 22lr one time and the salesperson I was talking to did not even know a sig sauer mosquito has a barrel and frame that are one single piece. He thought it was detachable like most handguns. Also, Ive experienced some of them glorifying 1911's and demeaning on polymer firearms with one of them remarking to a person looking at glocks that it is not a safe gun because it has no safety which clearly shows he has no understanding on how a glock works. When I bought my FN 45 tactical the guy who shwed me the gun did not know the specs, and was telling me to get a 1911 instead. Fortunately there was a younger person there I got into conversation with who seems to know a lot more on firearms. I own several flatforms and do extensive research on my guns before I p-urchase them. I have a couple of glocks, fnp 45T, fn 5 7, sig sauer p220 carry elite, kimber 1911, sig sauer mosquito and ruger gp100. I've owned in past para ordnance pxt limited 1911, SA XD subcompact 9mm and SA XDm 9mm 4.5. Personally, salesperson in local gunstores are more knowledgable, its just that most of the times they do not have the inventory that Cabelas has. Cabelas also had the lowest priced 5 7 ammo I can purchase without resorting to internet. Do not believe the rumors, they are just that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jathtech View Post
    It did not malfunction, he ran out of ammo. he unloaded on Officer Munley, he was being shot at after all. He can reload that thing quick, but not THAT quick.
    The witness testimony i read stated the gun was malfunctioning. (sorry i missed your response at the time you made it). I believe the Hood shooter had shot about 215-220rds at the time the fight ended.

    This is just from wiki, but it highlights that Todd and Munley did not arrive simultaneously, there was plenty of time for Hasan to reload before facing off with Todd after he'd shot Munley...

    "Base civilian police Sergeant Kimberly Munley, who had rushed to the scene in her patrol car, encountered Hasan in the area outside the Soldier Readiness Processing Center.[26] Hasan fired at Munley, who exchanged shots with him using her 9mm M9 pistol. Munley's hand was hit by shrapnel when one of Hasan's bullets struck a nearby rain gutter, and then two bullets struck Munley: the first bullet hit her thigh, and the second hit her knee.[14][24] As she began to fall from the first bullet, the second bullet struck her femur, severely shattering it and knocking her to the ground.[14][24] Hasan then walked up to Munley and kicked her pistol out of reach.[27]

    As the shooting continued outside, nurses and medics entered the building, secured the doors with a belt and rushed to help the wounded.[28] According to the responding nurses, the blood loss inside the building was so heavy they were unable to maintain balance, and had difficulty reaching the wounded to help them.[29] In the area outside the building, Hasan continued to shoot at fleeing soldiers, and civilian police Sergeant Mark Todd arrived and shouted commands at Hasan to surrender.[24] Todd said: "Then he turned and fired a couple of rounds at me. I didn't hear him say a word, he just turned and fired."[30] The two exchanged shots, and Hasan was felled by five shots from Todd,[3][31] who then kicked his pistol out of his hand and placed him in handcuffs as he fell unconscious.[32]"

    In the actual witness testimony i read from the trial (which i cannot seem to find right now), i seem to remember the witness that recovered his Five Seven as saying it was jammed, and he had to clear it (he- the witness- was arming himself because there was a belief that there were multiple shooters).
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