Steel-Cased Ammo *Update with Word from FNH*

[Tbone]

My 12 year old has an AR that will not shoot TUL ammo. It litterally is a single shot rifle when loaded with this stuff. It will shoot any brass ammo and I have tried some of the Herters steel case and it functions fine. I bought him a couple of hundred rounds so he wouldnt shoot up the good stuff, but his gun just wont function with it.

[aaron_c]

My 12 year old has an AR that will not shoot TUL ammo. It litterally is a single shot rifle when loaded with this stuff. It will shoot any brass ammo and I have tried some of the Herters steel case and it functions fine. I bought him a couple of hundred rounds so he wouldnt shoot up the good stuff, but his gun just wont function with it.

That's what my AR was doing with Wolf ammunition. Fire, rack the BCG, fire, rack the BCG, was the only way to shoot it. My AR only has a couple hundred rounds through it though, if that, and has an ST-T2 heavy buffer that may loosen up some. It was also dry that day. I'm going to oil it up and try the rest of my Wolf, and some Monarch steel from Academy (like $5 for a box of 20).

[nickc50310]

Wal mart clerk tonight tried to tell me tul ammo would void my warranty and that it had a "special" coating that was a problem and that wolf ammo was different (its not). I told him he was mistaken.

Yes, if you get a bad round that damages your gun, FNH will not honor the damage, just like any other brand of ammo. Simply using steel cased ammo does not void your warranty.

[aaron_c]

Wal mart clerk tonight tried to tell me tul ammo would void my warranty and that it had a "special" coating that was a problem and that wolf ammo was different (its not). I told him he was mistaken.

An employee at a local gun shop, when I was shopping around for my FNX, had the biggest hard-on for Glocks I've ever seen. He told me that tenifer was a super high-tech type of metal that is 7.7 on the hardness scale where a diamond is 7.8. He also said that Glocks had taken hits by mortar rounds and remained functional in the military. I smiled and nodded politely, more of a smirk really...said thank you, and left. It's no wonder so many people who are less informed just go out and buy Glocks. (That said, I do want a Glock 19 at some point).

[nickc50310]

I read glock talk and post on there pretty often. The blind glock love by people is astounding. They are great guns but there are people around who think they were built by Jesus or something! LOL!

Ill take my FNX or XD over a Glock any day of the week!

[SRG]

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Was it Wolf, Silver Bear, or Brown Bear? Those russian brands are corrosive as all get out.

That is false. None of the commercially available, Russian steel cased ammo is corrosive.

[aaron_c]

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Was it Wolf, Silver Bear, or Brown Bear? Those russian brands are corrosive as all get out.

That is false. None of the commercially available, Russian steel cased ammo is corrosive.

I've heard this as well- the corrosive primers are a thing of the past.

[SRG]

I think the problem is that the steel cased ammo gets lumped in (associated) with surplus ammo from the 'Eastern block', since thats where it comes from, which is almost always corrosive.
I think the dirtier argument that people like to spout off about is from the steel case not expanding (like brass) and sealing the chamber properly. Which can lead to more carbon/powder residue escaping rearward into the action of the firearm.

I've had great experiences with Wolf in my FNP45 as well as numerous other brands (Golden Tiger/Brown Bear etc.) of steel case in my Saiga. I'll continue to use it.

Even if it was corrosive, which it isnt, a simple bath in hot soapy water to rinse away any salts is all that is required to remedy.

[AXXMAN]

Hey Aaron, I have been running brown bear through my Stag Arms model 8 gas piston with no problems at all. I ran about 250 rounds through her this past weekend not one FTE or FTF I did notice quite a bit of cabon on the piston tube when i cleaned her but hey, for $120 for 500 rounds you cant go wrong

Thanks axx, I'm going to give brown bear a shot soon. Nobody stocks it here it appears so I'm going to order a hundred rounds or so from the internet. What buffer tube do you have?

Also, I'm probably going to go ahead and give steel cased ammo a try in the FNX as well. If it functions, I see no reason not to save the little extra money since I don't currently reload. I'm not sure I've ever seen steel cased ammo around here in 9mm before but maybe Academy will have it.

Aaron, Sorry man I just saw your question. I am running a stock buffer in my Stag model 8 and have noticed no carrier tilt or wear, but i have been looking into a Seth Harness anti tilt buffer. You can check them out at
www.firearmreadysolutions.com

[Vulcan71]

I would not use ammunition in any weapon that has a steel case or a steel based case (plated by NI, CU, brass, etc) because steel cases damage firearms. In order for the steel cases to feed correctly they need to be plated or coated and most are coated by lacquer or a special polymer that gums up chamberes and causes jams.

Additionally, steel does not relax as much as brass, when the pressure drops, so there tends to be more breech friction with steel. Finally the steel case causes additional wear on the extractor. I have seen many broken extractors. In closing if steel cases are good product then why use brass at all. FYI, many ranges do not allow steel case ammunition. I would not take my word for it call the weapon manufacture and let them give you information on steel ammunition.

In regards to some misconceptions on wolf and other brands as long as they are of modern manufacture they are non-corrosive and they are most likely boxer primed. In some cases the GP is of lower quality (dirty).

I would stay away from Tula as I found many steel cases split apart running to the case head. I sent a message to the company with the lot # by e-mail and never received a response from them.

I hope this helps.