Carbine Conversion Kit: RONI Stocks by Command Arms - Carried by Citadel Gun and Safe

[124C41]

If you add a foregrip or stock to the pistol it is an SBR and you need a stamp to own it. If you want to run the Roni without a buttstock or foregrip then fine. We don't want people thinking they can put a stock on their pistol and unknowingly make an illegal SBR.

[djv38]

Doesn't just a fore-grip make a pistol an AOW?

[Rlett4]

Doesn't just a fore-grip make a pistol an AOW?

Affirmative...But will still require a Tax Stamp........ http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/fire...ical-fore-grip

[lavaspit]

As I said, its an interesting legal conundrum. Im not disappointed by the advice. If i need m ore paper work then Ill get more paperwork. If people in more lenient States are on this forum, I hope you consider it. If I had found out about the stock though this frum and that there was a momentarily lapse in getting this stock classified Id jump all over it. That's just me.

In essence, I think that for the money this device is solid, and its primary purpose is simply to add ergonomics and peripherals to your handgun. If making your handgun more accurate is "unlawful" then I think we're on a slippery slope. Generally the "s;slippery slope" argument is a weak one, but not with gun laws.

[Rlett4]

As I said, its an interesting legal conundrum. Im not disappointed by the advice. If i need m ore paper work then Ill get more paperwork. If people in more lenient States are on this forum, I hope you consider it. If I had found out about the stock though this frum and that there was a momentarily lapse in getting this stock classified Id jump all over it. That's just me.

In essence, I think that for the money this device is solid, and its primary purpose is simply to add ergonomics and peripherals to your handgun. If making your handgun more accurate is "unlawful" then I think we're on a slippery slope. Generally the "s;slippery slope" argument is a weak one, but not with gun laws.

Lavaspit,I am located in Florida,not exactly a restrictive firearm state,.....and I have five NFA Tax Stamps,..These laws we are giving you a heads up on are federal NFA Laws ,..Not state laws

[lavaspit]

Lavaspit,I am located in Florida,not exactly a restrictive firearm state,.....and I have five NFA Tax Stamps,..These laws we are giving you a heads up on are federal NFA Laws ,..Not state laws

oh, I see. Thanks for the information. I will take it up with my dealer and Command Arms, etc.

For the rest of you, Id really like to hear some feedback about he stock itself. Especially from experienced shooters. I wan to knwo if this is bells and whistles or something interesting and useful.

[SgtStrykerUSMC43]

This thing is cool but it's not 'plug-n-play'. Fore-grip on a pistol = AOW and requires a $5 stamp.

The rest has been covered.

Although nobody I know has been hammered with constructive intent, I would hate to read about some mope being a beta tester on the regulation. Better to be safe than corn-holed.

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[Milspec]

It would be an SBR, NFA rules apply but.......They also make a Civi version which will not be classified as an SBR. It is nice to have the shorter configuration but the Civi model turns it into a 16'' carbine type deal. Interesting concept non the less.

[Fuoco]

lavaspit,

I used one when on a transition team a few years back I think it was on a Glock 17 one of the guys had it sent over to him since we were training the Iraqis on the glocks and the Roni at the time I dont believe had a model to fit a M9 without a rail system. It was a nice little item to have in that it turned the 17 into a mean looking SMG and it did improve accuracy with with the stock and forward grip. It held up ok but I after a few month of abuse the plastic charging handle started losing its grip on the slide of the pistol in the back if I recall and plastic piece that holds the sides together got lose and would move into the trigger well at times. That was a few years ago maybe those things have been fixed but regardless nobody was using that over their M4s when on patrol it was more of a fun range toy. And with all the paperwork you would need to have it here in the States on a pistol its really not worth it unless you have to make you pistol look like its something out of HALO

[lavaspit]

Thank you very much for your insight. I agree. Its clear that one big polymer frame simply cant hold up in combat. And it is just a fun range toy, that is, if you aren't hassled about it. In hind-sight, it was definitely a knee-jerk purchase.

It seems that Sig Sauer has come up with a pistol/SBR conversion kit of their own that looks far more substantial. They call it the Adaptive Carbine Platfrom: ACP

Its a much more feasible design. Let us know what you think.