FN SCAR Prices are Falling Fast

[ArmChairCommando]

Everyone is now waiting for the next batch you are a fool if you pay more thn retail.

[Type5]

But if you want one now, you will almost certainly have to pay more than retail! Many people will not call you a fool if you were to buy one at over retail, because, except for a few who pre-ordered from an honest Dealer, all are paying more than retail.

Look up the history of sales from auctions on the Net.

there is a new batch that is coming out in the next week - it will be interesting to see how the price of them shifts!

[bullpuppy]

They are nice guns, and for those who can afford them they'll be getting a nice gun, but I just don't see what it offers over the Robinson XCR.

The SCAR was designed for SOCOM and was the most tested longarm ever adopted by the US. The same cannot be said for the XCR. In fact I know of one shooting school (Tactical Response) who have never had an XCR last through their carbine class.

[5jeffro7]

I can't see it being worth more the $2 grand once the novelty wears off.
Can see why it would be more then an FS200 or 556

actually, the MSRP is right around 2700 for the "standard" (meaning non-limited edition)

Tanners sport center is pre-ordering them at 2500...I'm 10 out of (up to) 75ish now...60 guaranted in, the rest will be "distributor" extras.

[killswitch1982]

They are nice guns, and for those who can afford them they'll be getting a nice gun, but I just don't see what it offers over the Robinson XCR.

The SCAR was designed for SOCOM and was the most tested longarm ever adopted by the US. The same cannot be said for the XCR. In fact I know of one shooting school (Tactical Response) who have never had an XCR last through their carbine class.

Yes and so was the XCR. It was not tested simply because the blank firing adapters did not arrive in time.

For every XCR that goes down there are hundreds that run perfectly. Like anything, even FN products, there are going to be some rifles with problems and you have to know the rifle.

There is also a lot of bad mouthing and hear-say out there by e-commandos who have never even used the rifle but parrot all the bad things they hear about products they don't like and claim that it is every rifle.

Like I said, the SCAR is a fine rifle but it is not worth $2500 and is certainly not worth $9500. Being made out of polymer and extruded aluminum I would not pay more than I would for an XCR.

For those who do not know, extrusion is basically taking heated aluminum and pressing it out of a die-press, kind of like a Play-Dough press. There is more to it, but that is the basic idea. It works, kind of like the stamped receivers on AKs and HKs, but it isn't worth what they are asking.

You are getting two things for the price:

1. The FN name.

2. A rifle similar to what the ground pounders are using.

For those who have to have it, get it. Enjoy it. That's what makes America great!

I am perfectly happy with my XCR. I know how to work it and it hasn't let me down in quite a few thousand rounds. The test XCR at Robinson's shop has well over 300,000 rounds of 5.56x45mm, 7.62x39mm, and 6.8SPC through it and hasn't had any significant problems and RARELY gets cleaned.

[SgtStrykerUSMC43]

Getting 2 things for the price????

I'm going to disagree with that statement. I'm not going to list everything here, but I'll state this: It's cheaper to cut aluminum that to make a steel injection mold for a lower when you 1st make a gun.

Lower forging die: $35,000.00 approx.
Injection die (steel):$70,000.00 approx.

Long term, it's cheaper to build a inj. molded unit on a per cost basis, (X 200,000) than to do a forging, and make the tools to bring the forging to a finished part. Up front though, it costs a boat load more to mold! That's why we see the prices we see on the SCAR.

Are you 100% certain the SCAR upper is an extrusion? I know LMT's early Monolith uppers were cut from billets, and then he finally got a forging die made. You could see the tool marks even with the 125RMS surface finish spec. on the early units.

Reed Knight's SR25: extruded upper and a forged lower. Extrusion is much cheaper.

R&D, tooling and so on is not cheap when you gear up to do it on a massive scale. Costs are passed on, such as duty (taxes) paid, and so on. Don't forget the exchange rate between the Euro and the Greenback which is at about a 27% disadvantage for the dollar today.

Can the SCAR be sold at a lower price point?: YES
Can the XCR be sold at a lower price point?: YES

At least the scar comes with iron sights from the factory...

As I stated previously, I know the guys @ R.A. and I think they're doing fine work. Can it be improved on? Sure. If the XCR had a SCAR stock on it, that would give it one heck of a leg up!

PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH (who said it?)

[FightingTenth]

Yes and so was the XCR. It was not tested simply because the blank firing adapters did not arrive in time.

..so they weren't tested...

For every XCR that goes down there are hundreds that run perfectly.

I think the ratio is much higher...based on the guns I've seen and used.
This is not normal, and speaks to the craptastic nature of the product...

There is also a lot of bad mouthing and hear-say out there by e-commandos who have never even used the rifle but parrot all the bad things they hear about products they don't like and claim that it is every rifle.

See above. If it quacks like a duck, it's probably a...

You are getting more than two things for the price:

1. The FN name. Which by the way happens to be the most successful arms manufacturer on the Planet - you know, EARTH.
2. R&D second to few (no, not even Robarms ).
3. An improved version of the H&K G36 - one of the best designed small arms out there.
4. A rifle that has actually been adopted by a military, after exhaustive field trials.

There, fixed it for ya!

I am perfectly happy with my XCR. I know how to work it and it hasn't let me down in quite a few thousand rounds.

That's fantastic, but let's keep grounded and not inflate it above tested and proven systems - it's kindof insulting to those that know better.

[killswitch1982]

I never "inflated" the XCR over the SCAR. I simplay said the SCAR is not worth the asking price.

Incidently, by stating that my comments "insult those who know better" makes you sound like an ignorant fanboy. Not everyone is going to like the SCAR. I feel that it is a good rifle and will work well. My XCR works well and is a good rifle. Each offers one or two minor things that the other doesn't but they are both pretty much equal.

You act like I just said something insulting about your mother. Might wantto check your e-ego at the door bro.

[Thermallator]

Yes and so was the XCR. It was not tested simply because the blank firing adapters did not arrive in time.

..so they weren't tested...

For every XCR that goes down there are hundreds that run perfectly.

I think the ratio is much higher...based on the guns I've seen and used.
This is not normal, and speaks to the craptastic nature of the product...

There is also a lot of bad mouthing and hear-say out there by e-commandos who have never even used the rifle but parrot all the bad things they hear about products they don't like and claim that it is every rifle.

See above. If it quacks like a duck, it's probably a...

You are getting more than two things for the price:

1. The FN name. Which by the way happens to be the most successful arms manufacturer on the Planet - you know, EARTH.
2. R&D second to few (no, not even Robarms ).
3. An improved version of the H&K G36 - one of the best designed small arms out there.
4. A rifle that has actually been adopted by a military, after exhaustive field trials.

There, fixed it for ya!

I am perfectly happy with my XCR. I know how to work it and it hasn't let me down in quite a few thousand rounds.

That's fantastic, but let's keep grounded and not inflate it above tested and proven systems - it's kindof insulting to those that know better.

So where exactly do you get to shoot these weapons in Cowtown? as I recall, since 1992, thanks to the liberals and allan Rock, you cannot import such. You can belong to the banned club - but back then, the XCR was not made.

Pray do tell where you get your intel from?

-TH

[FightingTenth]

So where exactly do you get to shoot these weapons in Cowtown? as I recall, since 1992, thanks to the liberals and allan Rock, you cannot import such. You can belong to the banned club - but back then, the XCR was not made.

Pray do tell where you get your intel from?

-TH

The XCR is non-restricted, and is imported by Wolverine Supplies.
The Liberal government you speak of did curtail our civil liberties quite a bit with Bill C-68, but thankfully we currently have a Conservative government in power.

I do alot of competitive Service Rifle shooting here and have personally witnessed three XCRs go down with failures since they have been imported into Canada (a year, year and a half?). I have heard of a few more from people I know and trust. I can understand someone questioning the veracity of claims made on the 'net, but there is far too much to simply ignore. It seems to me that for every one person that claims failure or problems, there are three right there bashing him and claiming they are great.

If I'm an ignorant fanboy, I'm one of rifle systems and manufacturers with proven track records and tested designs...nothing gets my goat more than some people trying to equate equipment that is no where even close to equitable.