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    Quote Originally Posted by Canyon Man View Post
    I agree, not a spot on vid...I'm posting regarding his you tube channel more than regarding the SCAR. I detect some negative vibes ahahahaha. You tube vids are just that...you tube vids. It's like anything on the internet, you have to sift thru what to believe and what not to believe. How many of us here haven't watched vids on various firearms ? Has anyone found a single channel that is 100% spot on ? Ughhhh, that would be a resounding NO ! And the same holds true for forums...fnfalman, if u know some place where I can get only good, concise, reliable information, please share it with me...I assure u I will give it my full attention. At the end of the day, most ppl, myself included, when we are interested in a firearm, we research it...that includes watching you tube vids on it. And some new comers to the firearms world don't know any better, and believe these vids as to be gospel. But more experienced ppl, like on this forum, know it's just one part of a puzzle. And there is no one individual place that can really give you an absolute thumbs up or thumbs down on every firearm out there. The firearms world is an expensive one. Do your research, knowing information obtained may be right or wrong - try to verify it - or do as much homework that u are willing to do before making a purchase or forming an opinion. At the end of the day, it's going to come down to making the purchase, and seeing if it performs as you want it to for the wants and or needs you have. I find there are strengths and weaknesses to each firearm. Trade offs, such as weight versus usability, accuracy vs reliability, etc...For me, you tube is as much for entertainment as it is for information. When I see misinformation, the question I ask myself, is...Is it intentional ? Do they know they are wrong and just trying to sell a product ? What is the motivation behind it ? If they don't know any better they are just wrong. If they know they're wrong, and out right lying, I would take that in a more disgruntled way. And....ANNNND, how would we know if they are intentionally lying. Most times we'll never know. I find Bartocci's channel to be so so. I think he's trying, and believe's he correct, but his information regarding the SCAR seems limited. I wish he would have looked a little deeper into Handl Defense, and spoke of their rocky start, and some of the complaints lodged against them. Regarding the aluminum butt stocks for the SCAR 17...at least he knew there was an issue with them. But he said shooters not using suppressors or full auto would probably not have any problem with it. Well, that's been proven wrong here on this forum, and by myself personally. Regarding the magnesium lower, I really don't know about it. I do know there were reports of fitment issues regarding Handl's aluminum lowers a couple three years back. But I've also heard good reviews on them in the last year or so. I own a S.E.A.L lower, so I can't speak first hand of it. Regarding the magnesium lower helping the harmonics of the rifle to reduce stress on optics, man that's the first I've heard that one, and I haven't a clue as to it's validity. But as I've heard some incorrect information on some of his other vids, I won't take that as gospel. I almost feel an obligation to dispute things in the comment section, but who am I ? I shall refrain. I'm just an average guy who likes firearms. I enjoy shooting, and feel my personal protection, and my immediate family's falls foremost with myself. Therefore, I find myself on a couple of forums and watching some you tube vids. So I'm not hating on the SCAR by posting these vids, gees it's my favorite rifle for pete's sake. So if this vid offends you, post a comment under it and let him know...If my posting it offends you...I don't care ahahahaha. Tuff cookies gentlemen !
    More tough cookies to swallow.

    I like Eric IV8888, but this was a strong opinion as well.
    At least they have a good warranty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by STL View Post
    Full of technical errors and false statements.

    How so?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canyon Man View Post
    Yes, I've heard some mistakes on some of his vids. It's unfortunate too. I believe he's knowledgeable on the AR platform, his experience is pretty extensive in that arena. He doesn't hide the fact he's trying to expand his channel large enough to make money on it. I've watched about 8 or 10 of his vids. It seems he's getting firearms, doing basic research, shooting a few rounds, and doing a review as if it were an expert opinion. I think it takes more than one sample of each firearm, and more than a trip to the range to make a decent assessment...and then still not necessarily an expert opinion. I give him clout on the AR platform, and I could be wrong, but he has some good AR vids. He goes into pretty good detail on the LMT. He gives a good vid on the history of the AR, and I've learned some stuff regarding various competing firearms for military contracts. But I don't personally know how accurate it is. I've been believing that aspect of his information tho, just because of his extensive firearms background. He throws out names of "in the loop" people like he has first hand knowledge of them. When I first found his channel, I thought it was awesome. But after watching more vids, I've found errors in his assessments myself regarding some other firearms that aren't AR's. Either way, he's making quite a splash in the firearms community on you tube. I've read the comments, and very few have made any call outs regarding incorrect information. I almost did. I just didn't feel good about leaving a negative comment, figured leave it be...He has a part two of the SCAR 17 coming out regarding accessorizing the SCAR. I'll watch it, but I already know where he's going with it, and I'm afraid his channel is gonna bomb after part two. A person can get away with a little misinformation, but when it comes to the SCAR..well...I think it could ruin a person's reputation a credibility. Some firearms you have to get right. I was really pulling for his success when I first found his channel, and still am I guess, but must admit I have some reservations upon further viewing. He does live streaming of questions and answers, and he solicits for money to support his channel Maybe that's ok, but it's a turn off for myself. Unless he gets a ton of call outs on inaccurate information though, I see this man's channel expanding rapidly. I think he's going to get pretty popular, along the lines of Hickok 45 and James Yeagar. Agree with them or not, they are popular you tube channels that make money. I find Hickok wrong on information routinely, but he carries himself in a conservative way, never claiming to be an authority or expert. We'll see where Bartocci's channel goes. I could be wrong, but I think ppl will view his channel as viable information. Myself, I have recognized mistakes. Regarding his accuracy regarding the military's weapons programs and competitions, I truly don't have the knowledge to know if he is correct or not. I had never posted a vid or link on the forum before, and wanted to learn how to do it. It was my project for the night. I needed something to post, and figured most ppl hadn't heard of his channel, so I chose this vid he did - being the FN forum and it's a SCAR vid. I know it's not the world's greatest thread lol, but learning how to navigate the forum better will help me contribute more. Too many times I've found something I wanted to share with the forum, but wasn't sure on how to post a link...and didn't want to start a thread without the link appearing.

    Yeah, I noticed some too and I just thought I was misinformed. I did notice he pushed really hard for the replacement of the lower receiver with the HD one. I have no doubt it is good and offers more mag options but I have almost $4,000 invested in it with core equipment, consumables and supporting equipment that I can't justify the expense.
    I did already have the Super SCAR Trigger, the KDC stock replacement and charging handle, the TPOD before I bought the rifle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by macman1138 View Post
    How so?
    I'll just say, I know a thing or two about the weapon system and can call bullsh*t when I see it. He obviously knows very little about the history of the weapon while citing "experts" without naming the same. I'm confident I know where he received a bulk of his misinformation and to say he was misinformed is being nice. My daughter is more knowledgeable about the SCAR weapons system than he does and she's 13...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SledDog30 View Post
    Ok... I'm not impressed. Like noted in previous posts, less then accurate info. It's just more fodder for the haters.

    And the comments for the videos proves you right too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canyon Man View Post
    Regarding the magnesium lower helping the harmonics of the rifle to reduce stress on optics, man that's the first I've heard that one...
    Think of it in this sense. He claims the polymer hinge absorbs recoil and of course any material that exhibits flex when force is applied would dampen harmonics. The claim he makes of a metal lower somehow reducing harmonics over the polymer lower is in direct conflict to his statement on the hinge. And his facts are backwards in citing the reasons one should choose XYZ for full auto fire and ABC for semi-auto or suppressed firing. Contrary to popular belief, the dudes fielding the Mk17 today in the GWOT have the same weapon designed years past as the operating system has no changed, nor has the polymer matrix of the hinge. The latch button now incorporates a radius at the base whereas the original design had a right angle. A simple modification to the mold cavity solved the stress riser the 90° originally created. The FN ECP suppressor was designed by FN to take the place of the SCAR-H suppressor due to loose fitment of the originally fielded SCAR-H suppressor and the Mk17 does not field the SF SOCOM-762 suppressor, nor is it approved for filed use on the Mk17. The 556 SF SOCOM suppressor is being fielded on the Mk18 along side the FN ECP on the Mk17 and the KAC reflex model on the Mk13.

    I could go on picking apart his failures and falsehoods but it's late and I want to relax a bit. Maybe watch a cartoon or something...

    Simply put, he doesn't know what he's talking about and has been fed a copious amount of BS from somebody out there who's running around telling people he's an SME on the SCAR. If one needs to run around telling people they're a subject matter expert on the SCAR platform, everyone reading or hearing that should reach for their hip waders because the BS is going to get real deep, real quick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STL View Post
    I'll just say, I know a thing or two about the weapon system and can call bullsh*t when I see it. He obviously knows very little about the history of the weapon while citing "experts" without naming the same. I'm confident I know where he received a bulk of his misinformation and to say he was misinformed is being nice. My daughter is more knowledgeable about the SCAR weapons system than he does and she's 13...
    Well, I don't know much about Bartocci, and I've seen posts of yours (STL) in the past here on this forum. I know for a fact you know the SCAR platform as well or better than anyone. I'll definitely take your word on this subject. As I think this thru, I wonder why Bartocci would present himself in an expert opinion matter if he is using information he got from a source that is wrong. As a regular kind of guy that post on opinion of what I've found on my own research, I try to be careful to present my posting in a way that isn't presented as an expert opinion, or actual fact...just based on what I know type thing. Hummm, how to articulate this...If I were doing a you tube channel presenting myself as an expert, and what I'm saying is the absolute fact, I would make sure my resources I got my information from was correct. If he is taking Handl's word for it, or some other entity, he did a poor job of research before proclaiming it as actual truth and fact. Now that alone wouldn't make him a bad person, or meaning any kind of malice, but it would make him an untrustworthy source of information. He worked at Colt for 10 years...wrote the manuals...I would hope his assessments regarding the AR rifles would be accurate. It's hard to find better credentials than that. I can see his information on weapons programs being wrong, I mean some aspects of that are most likely kept confidential, and dependent on back room conversations with ppl who may or may not be biased or just wrong info given. And of course the question remains, why the incorrect information...are they honest mistakes ? Is there money being paid by companies for favorable reviews ? Is there an ax to grind with someone ? I will most likely never know these answers, but they are you tube vids...take them for what they are, another piece of the puzzle for information, and another man's assessment. I've owned the 17 for about 3 years now, and haven't had a single malfunction or part that needed to be replaced. I used a VLTOR receiver extension for my butt stock, and found my back plate screws coming loose, but that's it. I run the OEM butt stock now. I haven't noticed any incorrect information on his AR vids, but I'm not an expert on the AR platform and wouldn't necessarily know it was wrong if I heard it. I won't say Bartocci is an idiot, but I wouldn't bet the farm on what he says without further conformation from another source. But I'm not as deep into the firearms world as many here on this forum are. I'm about an idiot on optics. I know the AR about as well as most...shoot it, take it apart, clean it, basic accessories and cleaning...bolt carrier group options - more knowledge than some, but not in the same camp who really delve into it. Same with the SCAR platform, I know it as well as any general SCAR owner, but certainly can't say with certainty what the heck goes on in the world of military contracts and the competition involved in who is awarded them. I would say I'm a little more than a recreational shooter, can hold my own in the general arena of shooters, but am certainly not in the same camp as experts. So at the end of the day, If Bartocci does a vid on a firearm I'm interested in, I'll watch it, just because it interests me. I already know what firearms I like, which ones I want and would purchase. It's just an interest I have and is what I like to spend my time on. I do wonder what he is getting wrong in the AR vids, but it doesn't really matter. My fav AR's are LMT, Colt M4A1, Daniel Defense. There are others, but I think these are quality AR's one can trust in. I'd like a SCAR 16 too. But I'm a workin' man, and my funds are limited - like many. Bartocci...we'll see how far goes in the you tube world. It's not really a subject worthy of heavy debate. Again, this has been a learn how to post a vid experience kind of thread for me. While it seems to have been a bit of an offensive post for some reason - I can see it - it was really good to get the feed back regarding the vids. I was wondering how Bartocci's channel was being rated as so to speak. Comments below the vids are most often from ppl not that knowledgeable about firearms, and just ppl surfing the you tube channels. To get opinions from ppl as knowledgeable as the ones found on this forum is valuable in itself. I thank everyone for their comments and opinions regarding Bartocci's you tube channel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canyon Man View Post
    I wonder why Bartocci would present himself in an expert opinion matter if he is using information he got from a source that is wrong...
    It's simple. He received free stuff and was given some bad information. He repeated the same without taking time to verify the validity of said information or vet his source. Instead, he was more than happy in getting free sh*t and all to eager to regurgitate the same to the unwitting masses who are unfortunate enough to stumble upon his you tube account. He's not the first and certainly won't be the last...

    Notice he did not state, "I purchased..." and that is all you need to know in order to take his comments as nothing more than an infomercial and a bad one at that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fnfalman View Post
    Nothing good in life is free.

    Free advices are just that. If people actually take Youtube videos as gospel then that's their personal problems.
    There are things in life that are both good, and free. It depends on the source and the motive when it comes to information. Many great men have shared solid information with me over the years and continue to do so to this day, so I can speak from positive experiences and disagree with you based on my experiences. I'm sorry you haven't had the same good fortune and it may be due to the company you keep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STL View Post
    There are things in life that are both good, and free. It depends on the source and the motive when it comes to information. Many great men have shared solid information with me over the years and continue to do so to this day, so I can speak from positive experiences and disagree with you based on my experiences. I'm sorry you haven't had the same good fortune and it may be due to the company you keep.
    Don't feel sorry for me. I know where to get good information from, and it ain't free from YouTube and the internet et.

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