The SOF Combat Assault Rifle (SCAR) Reaches Final Milestone

[djv38]

I feel that the troopers are fielding more 17 rifles because of the obvious. It carries more energy to the target than the 16, not because the 16 is plagued with issues. I'm sure that if we were locking horns with terrorists in a scenario where the 5.56 would do more than suffice, we would be seeing the 16 instead of 17's in more photos. To sum it up, the troops are fielding two weapons in their kit, and as the mission dictates they choose the appropriate weapon for the mission.

The majority of pics are also in A'stan, where engagement distances are much further, where the 7.62 NATO round accels over the 5.56 NATO (as you said more energy on target for the given range).

In short, I agree 100% with you Jim. And the article... I'm a bit skeptical too.

[spartanranger]

You have to be as it is all opinion and no substance. Seems like lots of people want to trash the system but never have anything specific to say.

The guy was probably a Bushmaster fan and hates to think of the scar as successful. ; )

[djv38]

The guy was probably a Bushmaster fan and hates to think of the scar as successful. ; )

Or an HK fan lol

[tombirdman]

http://soldiersystems.net/2010/05/11/scar-reaches-milestone-c/

Here's there opinion of what's going on with the SCAR. (Interesting read)

Good find. Interesting indeed. Nice to get a different perspective than the FNH press release.

On the flip side, they complain about accessories being beat up on the rail. Hmmm - what would you rather have - a dead soldier cause his M4 jammed for the umpteen time in the last 5 minutes or a scratched picatinny carrier?

I dunno - tough choice.

-TH

I have tried to find some better info about what exactly they are having troubles with as far as "both variants of the SCAR are said to be battering the SOPMOD II accessories".

I've put a good number of rounds through my SCAR with an Aimpoint on top and it still runs great. I'm sure the 308 is a little tougher on stuff, and I'll be happy to give one a try to find out for myself.

I've also never accidentally unlocked my butt stock. Of course I'm not in a combat zone with it either.

I like the read, but I'm a skeptic. I saw how much BS got passed around during my time in the military and I was around good Marines. I have a good friend who has fielded the SCAR (on a two way range) and he has no bad opinions and preferred the SCAR.

So I say it's an interesting read, but like you appear to be - I'm skeptical about some of the content.

That butt stock latch has such a heavy latch spring, it would be near to impossible to unlatch unless it was done intentionally - perhaps a direct strike on the latch release by a rock = but I doubt it !!!

Damage to accessories on rails = no more so than any other rifle

Sorry but this is a bunch of crap ! I can find fault with anything and apparently some die hard has it in for the SCAR but that should be no surprise.

The same thing happend in the switch from the 03A3 to the Grand, from the Grand to the M14, from the M14 to the M16 and now from the M16 to the SCAR. The army and it's ordinance dept. and the civilians that follow thir every word would have us use the single shot SHARPS.

Listen to what they say and then discard the " BULL SHIT ! "

Tom

[jmiddy]

This is just my opinion which is just that an opinion,

Everyone seems to agree that the felt recoil of the Scar is less than expected and in one thread on this forum one OP was trying to see how to increase said felt recoil.

Now take this a bit further, recoil is a direct result of Newtons law of physics,
"every action has an opposite and equal reaction", so my question is where is the recoil.

One word "harmonics"

This in itself could justifibly affect optics and more specificaly the PEQ.

Disclaimer "I am not a engineer"

[Thermallator]

This is just my opinion which is just that an opinion,

Everyone seems to agree that the felt recoil of the Scar is less than expected and in one thread on this forum one OP was trying to see how to increase said felt recoil.

Now take this a bit further, recoil is a direct result of Newtons law of physics,
"every action has an opposite and equal reaction", so my question is where is the recoil.

One word "harmonics"

This in itself could justifibly affect optics and more specificaly the PEQ.

Disclaimer "I am not a engineer"

SASKATOON - OMG - F'N hell .. that's like the Queen visiting these woods. Warms my heart - I lived in Yorkton for 6 brutal months in the dead of winter 1980. My sis lives in Regina to this day.

Oh - the prairies .. I'd rather slit my wrists, throat and anything else that would lead to a quick death. That aside .. you may be right.

"FELT" is a very subjective term. However, as I shot the civilian prototype extensively in Vegas, I noticed the same - or the perceieved lack thereof.

Now, it could - "could" be that the reciprocating bolt has lower center of gravity due to the piston and host of other things, hence not rising the muzzle as an M4 would. Having said that, you are correct in that according Isaac, the bullet leaving the device will impart the exact amount of energy to the shooter, whether it leaves M4, SCAR or any other weapon.

Now, in order for it to batter an accessory on the rail, it would have to impart more G's than the M4. The only way for this to happen - is if the bolt was striking something hard when it comes to a complete stop in the rearward motion or if the rail was bending. Since I doubt that the entire upper would bend in a microsecond and snap back to impart egregious G's to the strapped on device, it must be something else - or - the entire statement is misunderstood.

It COULD be that because the SCAR is narrower than typical M4 handguards, the accessory on the rail is more exposed to grunt abuse.

As I do not own a SCAR (YET!!!), I cannot verify my postulates. In either case, I think its horse shit either way and would not loose any sleep over it.

Stay safe on that Yellowhead!

-TH

[tombirdman]

This is just my opinion which is just that an opinion,

Everyone seems to agree that the felt recoil of the Scar is less than expected and in one thread on this forum one OP was trying to see how to increase said felt recoil.

Now take this a bit further, recoil is a direct result of Newtons law of physics,
"every action has an opposite and equal reaction", so my question is where is the recoil.

One word "harmonics"

This in itself could justifibly affect optics and more specificaly the PEQ.

Disclaimer "I am not a engineer"

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Take a look at the one piece bolt carrier/ gas piston/heavy one pice bolt carrier, opperating rod = the internal system. That is why you have less recoail + plus the ergonomics of the rifle system itself.

This is what is revolutionary. This is why it is one step above any competition.

Accept it !
It's for real !


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