Israeli Preemptive Strike on Iran? Uh-oh, here we go!

[Patton250]

Elaborate a little?

I would think the history of this meeting would say it all. Hitler told us exactly what he was going to do. Neville Chamberlain (prime minister of England at the time) did not believe him and signed a peace agreement with him. I assume you know the rest. How many people died?

[17Spatriot]

So your saying, that Iran, who doesnt have nuclear weapons, or the ability to use or sustain them, is going to attack Israel, blindside them, and then proceed to.......? and that Israel is under the pretense that Iran is its friend and they want to sign peace agreements?

Your comments make me think of this

[Patton250]

So your saying, that Iran, who doesnt have nuclear weapons, or the ability to use or sustain them, is going to attack Israel, blindside them, and then proceed to.......? and that Israel is under the pretense that Iran is its friend and they want to sign

You don't understand Islam.

End of line.

[jathtech]

Well, I dont know if I would say they are lying. But are you implying that you think Israel, who has over 300 nuclear warheads and a MUCH more advanced and capable military than most any Arab/Muslim nation, is completely incapable of defending itself, or is just going to sit around and let itself be destroyed? LOL Give me a break.

You really think the Israeli and American govt's at THE LEAST, are Naive enough to not be watching EVERYTHING that is going on in that country right now, to where the Iranians would just be able to blindside everyone?

Oh and dont forget the above mentioned information, about China (the worlds 2nd largest military, and VERY nuclear proficient) PLus Russia (one of the worlds top 5 militaries who also have MANY nukes) have both pledged to support and defend Iran in the event of a strike against their facilities.

Do we really want to call their bluff, attack Iran, then have to live through a retaliatory campaign by them, who can easily launch ICBMS our way, do stealth bombing runs on us, or any of the other techniques we would use?

plus, if we do get drawn into another war, you really think America is economically in any position to fund it, and actually sustain ourselves?

The list goes on.

but yes, I would tend to believe Irans government that they arent actively pursuing WEAPONIZED nuclear technology, being that EVERY report the IAEA and our own CIA and DOD have released point to the same conclusion, that they ARE NOT. The highest amount of concentration of Uranium they can do is 20%, which is a little higher than usual for energy production, but it is common place from medical equipment. Weapons grade nuclear devices need an enrichment of about 90% or higher.... so come talk about weapons when they gains that extra 70% of enrichment ablity....AND when China and Russia repeal their military support of Iran

Israel may be perfectly capable of defending itself from a conventional strike, and retaliating as such effectively. However, in the event of a nuclear strike against Israel, they would be totally crippled. The 4 nukes that Iran supposedly has the material to build would be more than enough to achieve this. And they don't need a missile delivery system to do it.

The United States is a completely different story. If 50% of Russia's missles made it over the ocean, through our European defensive system, the other 50% would be destroyed before reaching their targets. That is why Russia is so threatened by our missile defense system, because they know they have lost the check to our power, and they don't trust that we won't press our button. M.A.D. was a VERY important defensive plan during the Cold War, but now they no longer have it.

Even if several of their nuke made it through to our country, so little land mass would be effected in comparison to the whole United States, that it would do little in the way of hurting us, and only make us stronger through enraging the citizens of the US.

As for the state of the economy, the fact of the matter is wars improve economies. When things are bad, and people are starving, countries go to war. After ward, there's an economical boom usually.

[B286]

What people call Middle East Peace is the entire Arab world against Isreal. There can be no peace when the other guy only wants your complete destruction. Not to move you from one place to another or to share land, but your extinction as a people. Iran takes this one step further and wants the same if Americans as well. Irans friends are not just Russia and Chine, but Venezuela and Mexico. They are also talking with Cuba. My thinking is Iran will not flat out attack Isreal until the have a plan for us as well. Until then, Egypt, Syria and Jorden will be left to do he dirty work. Just my take it. I could be wrong. It has happened before.

[17Spatriot]

Israel may be perfectly capable of defending itself from a conventional strike, and retaliating as such effectively. However, in the event of a nuclear strike against Israel, they would be totally crippled. The 4 nukes that Iran supposedly has the material to build would be more than enough to achieve this. And they don't need a missile delivery system to do it.

The United States is a completely different story. If 50% of Russia's missles made it over the ocean, through our European defensive system, the other 50% would be destroyed before reaching their targets. That is why Russia is so threatened by our missile defense system, because they know they have lost the check to our power, and they don't trust that we won't press our button. M.A.D. was a VERY important defensive plan during the Cold War, but now they no longer have it.

Even if several of their nuke made it through to our country, so little land mass would be effected in comparison to the whole United States, that it would do little in the way of hurting us, and only make us stronger through enraging the citizens of the US.

As for the state of the economy, the fact of the matter is wars improve economies. When things are bad, and people are starving, countries go to war. After ward, there's an economical boom usually.

Well, if you think wars Improve economies you must be gravenly mistaken...That or just completely blotting out the last 10 years of American History, and historical spending on our defense budget.

I mean, if "wars improve economies", then America should be the economic shining star in the world, since we've been in 2 sustained wars for the last 10 years, right??....Right?

So if they really do improve economies, how come America's 'recession' is worse than it has ever been in history? How come the housing market is lower than in 2008? how come our national debt is 50% higher than 4 years ago? M1 and/or the current amount of money in circulation has gone up over 40% since 2008, but yet, no recovery? Why is unemployment higher than when Obama took office? why did unemployment benefits under obama go from 26 weeks, to 99 weeks? Why has America's credit rating been downgraded? WHy has the price of gas doubled? I mean, if our economy is supposed to be saved by a "war", why hasnt ANYTHING beneficial came from it yet?

People say WWII saved the economy. When in reality, the numbers they use to monitor the "economy" were distorted because such a large populace of America left (millions) to go fight overseas. Reducing the strain on our system at an individual level. Economic data didnt really show a real recovery until the 50's.

Plus, do you really want to start another war? Even if you do "understand Islam"? what about understanding "America's economic standing"? we are already borrow 1 TRILLION dollars (the annual deficit in our budget) to fund our current military "wars". IF we want to kick off another one (god forbid) how much additional are you OK with borrowing, and addidng to my generations, and future generations obligations? It literally is, and will drive us into economic ruin. Ben Bernanke is quoted THIS WEEK as saying our current level of borrowing at the federal level is DANGEROUS and Unsustainable. Thats coming from the "brightest, most intelligent" monetary mind in the world, chairman of the federal reserve.... So if our current level of borrowing is unsustainable, with afghanistan (lets just say ONLY afghanistan), then how do we justify borrowing more, under a 1Trillion dollar budget deficit PER YEAR already, to go and fight a "war" against the #2 military China, and Russia, along with Iran? Because that is exactly what is going to happen.

Im not saying I love Iran or anything, but we have to be realistic. Attacking Iran and coming out of it successful is pretty much ignoring all fact of reality, and current events. I guess that Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.....

And no, Im not a liberal, or some hippy stoner, or any other slur others would want to put on me. I am a 2 time war veteran of Both Iraq and Afghanistan, 11C mortarman. Ive seen firsthand what is going on.

[chiburi]

Agree with ya patriot! We send tons of $$$$ to Pakistan, who is in bed with our enemies, and we are paying the Pak's with funds we borrow from China. Additionally, we send millions to China, and you guessed it - we are borrowing money from the. Oh try we are then sending those borrowed funds to. It's maddening to think of how ridiculous this is all getting.. I think once a plan is in place with countries in south America, we better be stocked up on more than just ammo.... Islam isn't taking prisoners....


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[newguy31]

If the muslim world is so bad and we must protect israel and are constantly on guard against al-queda....how come we backed al queda in america's coupe de taut, when they were fighting along side the rebels in libya? Hillary clinton even said they were going to release ghaddafi's holdings in america to them. can you say WTF? Obviously people in america believe too much of fox and msnbc because no one knew that gaddafi was up for a human right vote from the un praising ghaddafi before this all went down. Everything happening today, by the unethical reporting of the media, is shaping your minds to think how they want you to think. War is necessary.

Israel can take care of herself plain and simple. For Iran to attack Israel would have to be the biggest mistake in the history of war strategy, even more so then Hitler's blunder in russia!! Let us not forget that Russia pretty much ended ww2 by themselves. Let us also learn that russia fighting in afghanistan brought down their economy! sound familiar?

yeh, war would help our economy except we don't have the manufacturing jobs here anymore...duh!

[HK SD9 Tactical]

As far as Isreal bombing Iran, it will happen unless Iran abandons it's nuclear program. And if you had any doubts about Iran wanting a bomb, they were offered enriched uranium for their "peaceful" reactors from the Russians and they turned them down. They Iranian did not have to mine it, enrich it, dispose of it - all they had to do was to buy it and trade it in for more when the uranium lost its punch.

[chiburi]

End of the day, if we don't learn from history, we are bound to repeat it - new adversary - same reasoning - power, money, sex, but now add "religion" to the mix...

If we could supplant our dependence on foreign oil, and actually have an economy that drove energy independence, we'd be in a better position to stop "dabbling" in the world's affairs...


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