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    Quote Originally Posted by 15ICAM View Post
    In this thread we post about optics and accessories that we have used that just didn't work for us. I hope this will serve as a discussion to help guide those interested in optics to see points of view from those who have used them and found they weren't the right fit. I am not intending this to be a bash thread and expect that any contributions will provide honest useable feedback, not just "This POS sucked". Also understand that everyone has different opinions and uses so this should not become a "do not buy list".

    Any "do not buy" type posts should include specific reasons from your personal experience and provide hard data like "broke after 1 use and company told me to pound sand" or "did not fit because the Objective bell was to large"

    I'll start.

    Nightforce NXS 1-4x24 MILDOT Reticle.

    I bought this scope to use at close range with the option of having some magnification to make longer or more precise shots if necessary. I found that on 1 power the reticle was too fine to acquire quickly and use for close range shooting. The illumination is not visible in bright daylight so it limits you to a fine black reticle that easily blends with dark backgrounds. Had the illumination been usable in daylight, the out come may have been different.

    So as a workaround, I ended up keeping it at 4 power and using it like an ACOG which was less than ideal. I eventually traded for a different optic




    Doctor Optic MRD

    Biggest gripe with these are the lack of mounting options available. Since this optic has been discontinued it is becoming harder and harder to find mounting options. There are some out there so not a total loss but it can be very frustrating finding the exact mount you want or settle for something that only marginally fits the need.

    Also to change the battery you have to unmount the optic to access the battery underneath the optic.

    Other MRDs have addressed some of these problems and since they are in current production, the mounting options are much more available

    Same issues with NF 1-4x24..Dumped it...


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    Quote Originally Posted by SeahawkDriver-R View Post
    Dare I say this without getting "Gong-showed" out of here... an Elcan Spectre DR 1-4x.

    Now before I begin, let me say I still own the optic, I just had to find the right gun for it, and I'm still a big fan of it...what I want to share are some lessons learned the hard way.

    I had researched the Spectre DR for several months (not much to do on deployment but surf gun porn and read reviews).... by the time I got back to the states I had a fist full of money and I was hell bent on putting one on my 5.56 SBR project as the "end all-be all rifle". Well long story short, the Spectre DR is about as useful as tits on a bull for close quarters. What I failed to realize is that 1x does NOT mean same thing as an Eotech, or an Aimpoint, or any form or flavor of reflex sight, which is what I was used-to. 1x means that you are looking through a 1-powered curved lense, NOT flat glass, that requires specific eye relief like any, magnified scope.

    Well long story short, I found a Spectre and bought it, put it on my high-speed 5.56 with 10.5" barrel and took her out to shoot at some steels. Wow, did I feel stupid. I had a $2000 optic that was substantially slower on target than iron sights. You had to maintain perfect cheek weld to avoid screwing up your eye relief... and negotiating typical obstacles such as leaning around barriers, through windows, or shooting in odd positions... quickly.. was damn near impossible with the Elcan in 1x mode. I wasn't even ABOUT to gripe about the whole "zero point shift" when switching between 1x and 4x, I couldn't even get on target in 1x mode to my own liking.

    So I tucked my tail between my legs and ripped the bloody thing off and went with a simple $500 Eotech EXPS-2. I have a 3x magnifier for it that quickly attaches should the need arise, but for a short-barreled carbine, its really not that accurate past 200 yards so the magnifier is just gravy.

    Flat glass sights work best for me to keep both eyes open, avoid having to maintain perfect cheek weld, and keep the target in my peripheral view at all times while positioning the reticle. In fact, my favorite sight right now is the Leupold Deltapoint... what I've found is that when it comes to fractions of a second to get on target, a thin-walled, small, inconspicuous sight such as the Deltapoint, the Trjicon RMR, or even the old C-more railways is LIGHTYEARS faster than the most expensive, bulky, and heavy tactical sights.

    Now for all the Elcan lovers out there, myself included, the optic on a full-length rifle is very nice. I have it mounted on my AUG A3, and the bullpup design and high-mounted pic rail is a perfect match. I'd say the FS2000 would be just as good for it, or maybe even a PS90 tri-rail, but no way in hell would I ever want to depend on the Elcan for indoors or close quarters shooting, its just not made for it.


    Same Exact Experience with cheek weld and getting on target.. Just do not get how someone would use this optic.. I hated it, if you like it, I love it, but WOW was I surprised..

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    You're not crazy... On my SCAR 17 I using a Vortex Viper 6.5-20x50 atop an American Defense Recon mount for targets and banging steel. I use an EOTech 2 something (can't remember the model) along with a brand new model Vortex 3x flip to the side optic. The EOTech I love and am always amazed by its accuracy. My wife just got me the 3x magnifier for Christmas. It is heavy, but no heavier than the Vortex Viper scope. I haven't used the combination yet. It's to damn cold outside here in Northern Colorado!

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    I just took my 1-4x Crossfire II in for service last week, luckily I live 20 min away from their HQ.

    I had 500-700 rounds through my 17s with that scope on, properly torqued according to their specs with Vortex's scope mount. I had noticed my groups getting slightly bigger over the last year, but chalked it up to me. The last straw was hitting a hog in the jaw when aiming for the brain from about 20 yards away, the day after a friend dropped one with a similar shot the day before using my rifle. While testing it I noticed that when adjusting the magnification the reticle would noticeably shift.

    Stopped in to Vortex and talked with a service rep and showed him the issue. The next day we spoke and he said that after talking with some of the other staff the SCAR is just too hard on the scope and basically shook the internals apart. They were going to rebuild it just reusing the tube and give it back to me, but they expected the same result if I mounted it to the SCAR again. To their credit, he said that they would continue repairing it no matter how many times I brought it back in and stand by their VIP warranty. He said for the SCAR the Razor series is what they recommend. They even have a contract with a government agency that exclusively runs the Razor 1-6 on all of their SCARs and have never had any issues. The following day the service rep contacted me and told me the guys in the shop said the scope was too far gone, and they had a brand new replacement waiting for me to pick up.

    So to sum up, the Vortex VIP warranty is the real deal. You're not going to ever be left high and dry with a broken optic, but if thinking about a Vortex optic for your SCAR, look at the Razor. I'm putting my Crossfire II on ebay or Armslist and choosing between the Razor 1-6 or an Elcan.

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    As a new person doing some research into what optic to get I'd really like to hear about what optics not only work well but what ones done break I've heard good things about the elcan1.5 6.5 not breaking. Anyone else have any other options?

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    Trijicon TA11J-308G. Didn't like it because the illuminated reticle would obscure the target, especially at distance-way too bright--had to put black tape over it for most outings. BDC reticle never matched up w/ the rounds down range and didn't like the windage and elevation knobs---too small and poor audible clicks. It is light, tough, has nice glass, and may work if you found the right round to match up w/ the BDC reticle. Replaced it w/ a Nightforce SHV 3-10x42, much better--now if I can find a mount that will keep it from sliding within the mount!

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    Great info here guys, thanks a lot. I know I'm coming across a lot of these old threads and reviving them, but then again, I just got my Scar yesterday so everything here is brand new info to me.

    I had no idea a 1x scope was NOT the same as an EOTech or Aimpoint type device. Glad I found out BEFORE I spent my money.

    -Cuz

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    Trijicon Accupower 2.5 x 10 x 56mm.
    Objective bell is too large, even with high rings won't fit on a SCAR 17.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Econometrics View Post
    GREAT idea, Cam!

    Here's mine: TA11-E (green) on LaRue LT100 with Docter red dot. (Look familiar, Cam?)



    Before anyone gets feisty... let me say that I LOVE the TA11E! Everything about the optic is great. However, after strapping it to my 17, I realized I needed something with a little more power and flexibility for the kind of shooting I want to do.

    Therefore, I've sold her and am going to replace her with a Leupold Mark IV 2.5-8x36 M1 with the TMR reticle this week.
    I went with TA-55 on my 17. No problem at all out to 300 m and most days out to 400+m. (It first wrecked a Accupoint)

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    I'll go ahead and add to the discussion.

    Vortex Strike Eagle 1x6

    I started with a Vortex Strike Eagle on my 17 in a Burris PEPR mount (I know I know should've gone with a better mount). Got it zeroed and then it started to look like buckshot after a short time. Mount showed signs of moving around via wear marks on the underside despite being as tight as I could get it. Changed to a Spuhr mount and the shots were still all over the place. This is with less than 200rds down the pipe. Took the scope off and it made a nice sounding rattle that I was pretty sure no scope is supposed to make. Vortex fixed it as expected but it's not gone back on my 17. While Vortex had my tube I put some thought into what I was looking for in an optic and came up with what I have now. I found that I rarely if ever change mag on my scopes so no need for a variable. I'm not lighting cigars with rolled up $100 bills so price is a factor. Wanted better than 3-4x since it's a .308. Wanted decent glass and a .308/7.62 BDC since I don't dial for drop. Ended up getting a Steiner M536. It checked all the boxes I was looking for and has been good so far. It hasn't seemed to mind getting slapped around by the 17 and the clarity is quite good with the Schott glass it has. My Strike Eagle will end up on an ARX100 Tactical Mackerel I just picked up for $850 to play with. I took a bit of a gamble on the M536 but I decided to put some faith in the Steiner name and have been pleased thus far. The fixed power works well as this isn't a CQB rig for me. I have the Israeli doorbell Tavor for that with a Meprolight RDS and 3x magnifier for those reindeer games.
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