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    Eotech/3x Magnifier combo

    Eotech/3x Magnifier combo. I loved my Eotech but also wanted to have some magnification. Long story short, just too clunky to be of much use. Even with a quick flip mount the 3X Magnifier was too bothersome to use effectively (for me). I ended up selling the setup and getting an Elcan DR 1-4X for my SCAR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GULL View Post
    Eotech/3x Magnifier combo. I loved my Eotech but also wanted to have some magnification. Long story short, just too clunky to be of much use. Even with a quick flip mount the 3X Magnifier was too bothersome to use effectively (for me). I ended up selling the setup and getting an Elcan DR 1-4X for my SCAR.

    Was this an issue with the available mounts and which mounts did you try?
    Also can you elaborate more on the situations that gave you the problems? Transitions between close and far, or was the weight hanging off the side just awkward when the magnifier was flipped to the side?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 15ICAM View Post
    Was this an issue with the available mounts and which mounts did you try?
    Also can you elaborate more on the situations that gave you the problems? Transitions between close and far, or was the weight hanging off the side just awkward when the magnifier was flipped to the side?
    Used a Larue flip. And yes to both. Awkward hanging off to the side (in the way and a snag magnet) and although I liked the Eotech very much I just could not get used to using the magnifier efficiently. I would use the Eotech again if I wanted a 1X sight. Just thought I could have the best of both worlds with the 3X addon but it was not to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeahawkDriver-R View Post
    Dare I say this without getting "Gong-showed" out of here... an Elcan Spectre DR 1-4x.

    Now before I begin, let me say I still own the optic, I just had to find the right gun for it, and I'm still a big fan of it...what I want to share are some lessons learned the hard way.

    I had researched the Spectre DR for several months (not much to do on deployment but surf gun porn and read reviews).... by the time I got back to the states I had a fist full of money and I was hell bent on putting one on my 5.56 SBR project as the "end all-be all rifle". Well long story short, the Spectre DR is about as useful as tits on a bull for close quarters. What I failed to realize is that 1x does NOT mean same thing as an Eotech, or an Aimpoint, or any form or flavor of reflex sight, which is what I was used-to. 1x means that you are looking through a 1-powered curved lense, NOT flat glass, that requires specific eye relief like any, magnified scope.

    Well long story short, I found a Spectre and bought it, put it on my high-speed 5.56 with 10.5" barrel and took her out to shoot at some steels. Wow, did I feel stupid. I had a $2000 optic that was substantially slower on target than iron sights. You had to maintain perfect cheek weld to avoid screwing up your eye relief... and negotiating typical obstacles such as leaning around barriers, through windows, or shooting in odd positions... quickly.. was damn near impossible with the Elcan in 1x mode. I wasn't even ABOUT to gripe about the whole "zero point shift" when switching between 1x and 4x, I couldn't even get on target in 1x mode to my own liking.

    So I tucked my tail between my legs and ripped the bloody thing off and went with a simple $500 Eotech EXPS-2. I have a 3x magnifier for it that quickly attaches should the need arise, but for a short-barreled carbine, its really not that accurate past 200 yards so the magnifier is just gravy.

    Flat glass sights work best for me to keep both eyes open, avoid having to maintain perfect cheek weld, and keep the target in my peripheral view at all times while positioning the reticle. In fact, my favorite sight right now is the Leupold Deltapoint... what I've found is that when it comes to fractions of a second to get on target, a thin-walled, small, inconspicuous sight such as the Deltapoint, the Trjicon RMR, or even the old C-more railways is LIGHTYEARS faster than the most expensive, bulky, and heavy tactical sights.

    Now for all the Elcan lovers out there, myself included, the optic on a full-length rifle is very nice. I have it mounted on my AUG A3, and the bullpup design and high-mounted pic rail is a perfect match. I'd say the FS2000 would be just as good for it, or maybe even a PS90 tri-rail, but no way in hell would I ever want to depend on the Elcan for indoors or close quarters shooting, its just not made for it.
    No gong from me. Actually, this was a great review. Love how you covered the drawbacks to the Elcan at 1x for someone expecting it to work like a reflex dot type.

    Kudos on the DeltaPoint.
    I've got one sitting on top of my Leupy HAMR and absolutely love the combo for my 5.56 AR.
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    I'll throw my hat into the ring....

    EoTech 553 & G23 GEN II Flip-to-Side 3x magnifier

    Pros:
    Frst off, both great optics, and on paper it's an almost ideal setup for 0-300m shooting. Tough as nails, great image quality, and really easy to run.

    Cons:
    What I didn't like was the fact that you set up the EoTech to a comfortable distance from your face - to me, where it feels most natural & therefore fastest - but when you click the magnifier into position, it brings the aperture to within 3" of your face. That difference always bugged me, and I could never get used to it. Flipped to the side, the magnifier took up too much of my pirephial vision (it is pretty bulky). That bulk really adds up when you have both units up on top of an already big gun.

    The EoTech 553 is awesome... but SCREW those A.R.M.S. mounts (or the stock charging handle - whichever way you want to look at it). My knuckles and joints are just tired of that ****, so I've ordered Sarge's new charging handle. The other thing I don't like is the fact that the reticle is nothing but a giant fuzzy blob to me without my contacts in. I always wear them, but as gun owners we naturally preoccupy ourselves with worrying about "what if".

    Trijicon Accupoint 1.25-4x20 (red triangle on a post reticle) & LaRue SPR 1.5 mounted 'backwards'

    Pros:
    Again, top shelf quality at a good price point. Handy, simple, fast, excellent glass quality for the price. Adjustable tritium reticle to go with the daylight etched reticle. Nothing had to say about LaRue. Pricey, but stone solid and exquisitely machined.

    Cons:
    For some damn reason, I could never quite get the scope evenly level in the mount (at least to my eyes). I ended up selling the set up to a friend, and even on his gun I didn't really like the way it sat. It might have just been the reticle. I also preferred how much more you could adjust the brightness more on the EoTech (you can make it really, really bright or equally dim.)

    Thats all I've got. Like I said before, both of them were great setups.... just not what I was looking for.
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    Gull, I somehow missed your post, but it sounds like we were having a lot of the same issues. Honestly, how much better has the Elcan 1-4x been for 0-300m shooting than the Eo+3x?

    I'm genuinely curious, seeing as how 90% of what I do is all offhand and withing those distances.

    Much appreciated,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brady View Post
    Gull, I somehow missed your post, but it sounds like we were having a lot of the same issues. Honestly, how much better has the Elcan 1-4x been for 0-300m shooting than the Eo+3x?

    I'm genuinely curious, seeing as how 90% of what I do is all offhand and withing those distances.

    Much appreciated,
    Brady
    For me the Elcan works. I have only shot at 300+ a couple of times do to range limitations and both time were from a bench so not a good test of the sight. However, I have a 12"X18" piece of steel I propped up on the ground @ 200 meters and hit with 5 out of 6 quick shots from the knee while traversing perpendicular to the target. My one miss actually did hit the steel but it was a ricochet off the ground just in front of the target. Note: I use a 50m/200m zero instead of Elcan's recommended 100m zero.
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    The Burris AR-332


    I tried one out for a short time on one of my carbines and didn't feel like it worked very well, the sight seemed to be fairly tough but the reticle is to small and busy. The reticles in the picture below are larger than the the one in the sight.
    Illumination in red or green was not bad but not bright enough to use as a red dot in midday light.
    Weight and size is about the same as my ACOG.
    It held zero even with being dropped and banged around.
    I found it to be a little picky on eye placement, shadowing and blacking out a little to easy.
    For the price it looked fine on paper but when put to use I just felt wasn't a good choice.

    I found my TA31F ACOG to be a lot easier to use then the AR332 with both eyes open and with the fixed 3x not an improvement over a tripler behind a red dot.






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    Leupold optics fail.

    So it looks like my VX. R doesnt fit my new Delta mount.

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    So now Im gunna have to save up for a NightForce.
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