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    Optics that just didn't work out

    In this thread we post about optics and accessories that we have used that just didn't work for us. I hope this will serve as a discussion to help guide those interested in optics to see points of view from those who have used them and found they weren't the right fit. I am not intending this to be a bash thread and expect that any contributions will provide honest useable feedback, not just "This POS sucked". Also understand that everyone has different opinions and uses so this should not become a "do not buy list".

    Any "do not buy" type posts should include specific reasons from your personal experience and provide hard data like "broke after 1 use and company told me to pound sand" or "did not fit because the Objective bell was to large"

    I'll start.

    Nightforce NXS 1-4x24 MILDOT Reticle.

    I bought this scope to use at close range with the option of having some magnification to make longer or more precise shots if necessary. I found that on 1 power the reticle was too fine to acquire quickly and use for close range shooting. The illumination is not visible in bright daylight so it limits you to a fine black reticle that easily blends with dark backgrounds. Had the illumination been usable in daylight, the out come may have been different.

    So as a workaround, I ended up keeping it at 4 power and using it like an ACOG which was less than ideal. I eventually traded for a different optic




    Doctor Optic MRD

    Biggest gripe with these are the lack of mounting options available. Since this optic has been discontinued it is becoming harder and harder to find mounting options. There are some out there so not a total loss but it can be very frustrating finding the exact mount you want or settle for something that only marginally fits the need.

    Also to change the battery you have to unmount the optic to access the battery underneath the optic.

    Other MRDs have addressed some of these problems and since they are in current production, the mounting options are much more available

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    Thanks, you may have just saved me some trouble. The 1-4 NXS was probably my next purchase for exactly the same requirements you mentioned. Did you end up with a replacement? I would really like a true 1x variable that can get on target fast at close range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10auto View Post
    Thanks, you may have just saved me some trouble. The 1-4 NXS was probably my next purchase for exactly the same requirements you mentioned. Did you end up with a replacement? I would really like a true 1x variable that can get on target fast at close range.
    I ended up sticking with Aimpoint Red dots for the close range stuff. I think the new crop of FFP 1-6 sights like the SWFA and Leupy Mk 6 1-6 optics seem to be much better adapted the older Second Focal plane varients. I have not tried them so can't comment on how well they actually work in practice but the theory seems good
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    GREAT idea, Cam!

    Here's mine: TA11-E (green) on LaRue LT100 with Docter red dot. (Look familiar, Cam?)



    Before anyone gets feisty... let me say that I LOVE the TA11E! Everything about the optic is great. However, after strapping it to my 17, I realized I needed something with a little more power and flexibility for the kind of shooting I want to do.

    Therefore, I've sold her and am going to replace her with a Leupold Mark IV 2.5-8x36 M1 with the TMR reticle this week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 10auto View Post
    Thanks, you may have just saved me some trouble. The 1-4 NXS was probably my next purchase for exactly the same requirements you mentioned. Did you end up with a replacement? I would really like a true 1x variable that can get on target fast at close range.
    If the Leupold Prismatic had a better battery life it would be the perfect 1x scope. It has very visible illumination in any light and the optics are crystal clear. The black crosshairs where more than adequate in the daytime. The only complaints were the limited eye relief and battery life. I still prefer it over Aimpoints or other red dots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrcharlie View Post
    If the Leupold Prismatic had a better battery life it would be the perfect 1x scope. It has very visible illumination in any light and the optics are crystal clear. The black crosshairs where more than adequate in the daytime. The only complaints were the limited eye relief and battery life. I still prefer it over Aimpoints or other red dots.
    Mr Charlie, can you expand on the battery life issue? Is it less than advertised or just eats batteries every few hours?

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    This should be very interesting and helpful. Can't wait to see the replies.
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    Dare I say this without getting "Gong-showed" out of here... an Elcan Spectre DR 1-4x.

    Now before I begin, let me say I still own the optic, I just had to find the right gun for it, and I'm still a big fan of it...what I want to share are some lessons learned the hard way.

    I had researched the Spectre DR for several months (not much to do on deployment but surf gun porn and read reviews).... by the time I got back to the states I had a fist full of money and I was hell bent on putting one on my 5.56 SBR project as the "end all-be all rifle". Well long story short, the Spectre DR is about as useful as tits on a bull for close quarters. What I failed to realize is that 1x does NOT mean same thing as an Eotech, or an Aimpoint, or any form or flavor of reflex sight, which is what I was used-to. 1x means that you are looking through a 1-powered curved lense, NOT flat glass, that requires specific eye relief like any, magnified scope.

    Well long story short, I found a Spectre and bought it, put it on my high-speed 5.56 with 10.5" barrel and took her out to shoot at some steels. Wow, did I feel stupid. I had a $2000 optic that was substantially slower on target than iron sights. You had to maintain perfect cheek weld to avoid screwing up your eye relief... and negotiating typical obstacles such as leaning around barriers, through windows, or shooting in odd positions... quickly.. was damn near impossible with the Elcan in 1x mode. I wasn't even ABOUT to gripe about the whole "zero point shift" when switching between 1x and 4x, I couldn't even get on target in 1x mode to my own liking.

    So I tucked my tail between my legs and ripped the bloody thing off and went with a simple $500 Eotech EXPS-2. I have a 3x magnifier for it that quickly attaches should the need arise, but for a short-barreled carbine, its really not that accurate past 200 yards so the magnifier is just gravy.

    Flat glass sights work best for me to keep both eyes open, avoid having to maintain perfect cheek weld, and keep the target in my peripheral view at all times while positioning the reticle. In fact, my favorite sight right now is the Leupold Deltapoint... what I've found is that when it comes to fractions of a second to get on target, a thin-walled, small, inconspicuous sight such as the Deltapoint, the Trjicon RMR, or even the old C-more railways is LIGHTYEARS faster than the most expensive, bulky, and heavy tactical sights.

    Now for all the Elcan lovers out there, myself included, the optic on a full-length rifle is very nice. I have it mounted on my AUG A3, and the bullpup design and high-mounted pic rail is a perfect match. I'd say the FS2000 would be just as good for it, or maybe even a PS90 tri-rail, but no way in hell would I ever want to depend on the Elcan for indoors or close quarters shooting, its just not made for it.
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    1-4 power scopes.
    IMO 1x is for quick aquisition. Optics that require specific eye relief and cheek weld are not quick enough compared to an Aimpoint. I have a Burris and it stays on 4X all the time. I suppose if I was scanning a sector and needed a wider angle, the 1X would come into play. But I don't and it doesn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeahawkDriver-R View Post
    Dare I say this without getting "Gong-showed" out of here... an Elcan Spectre DR 1-4x.
    Thanks for this review. Gives quite a bit of food for thought to potential buyers given the popularity on the forum especially with SCAR. As with everything there are compromises and I think you did a good job of explaining these.
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